• Read: Forest and Factory
    • Finished it.
    • Good stuff. Provocative.
    • The suggestion to focus on hard science fiction for our utopias seems a good one.
    • Though I don't know if their piece really does that.
    • They just combine a focus on production with handwaving, rather than reproduction with handwaving.
    • Their salient point is really that we've stopped thinking about production, which I think is a good one.
    • Also lots of nuggets of wisdom in the footnotes to be mined.
  • Listened: The Art and Science of Communism, Part 1 (ft. Nick Chavez, Phil Neel)
    • Great discussion. Based around Forest and Factory. Loads of good stuff.
    • Their insistence on starting from present conditions and working towards for me thinking about complex systems and chaos theory, sensitive dependence on initial conditions in particular. Is it logical to try and completely map the present to then try and cause the future? Maybe.
    • Maybe an alternative is the utopian way of doing it. Think of elements of your desired future as attractors of sorts, then focus on how your can leverage the path of history towards those. Maybe that's a combination of both. It obviously can't hurt to know the present conditions, but to then assume you can trace a clear path from now to the future seems wrong.
    • Yeah I think you need both. A clear understanding of present conditions. A clear idea of how you want society to function - your attractors. And then you nudge it from A to B, making use of shocks, leverage points, etc.
    • They make the point that a lot of utopias focus on reproduction rather than production. (Superstructure rather than base?).

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1.1. In my garden

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1.2. In the Agora

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